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		<title>By: TIE</title>
		<link>http://theincidentaleconomist.com/reading-krugman/comment-page-1/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>TIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kharris,

With all due respect I think you&#039;re misreading my post. I cite several other authors (including an economist) who suggest that Krugman has ignored the politics. This is my point. I am not suggesting my read of the politics differs from his. I&#039;m suggesting he hasn&#039;t even considered the politics. He has a blind spot.

Should you believe me? Do I know something Krugman doesn&#039;t? That&#039;s not for me to decide. I&#039;ve expressed my opinion and linked to that of others, both those that support mine and those that do not. You can read all you like, make your own judgement, and write your own blog. Let me know when you do. I&#039;ll read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kharris,</p>
<p>With all due respect I think you&#8217;re misreading my post. I cite several other authors (including an economist) who suggest that Krugman has ignored the politics. This is my point. I am not suggesting my read of the politics differs from his. I&#8217;m suggesting he hasn&#8217;t even considered the politics. He has a blind spot.</p>
<p>Should you believe me? Do I know something Krugman doesn&#8217;t? That&#8217;s not for me to decide. I&#8217;ve expressed my opinion and linked to that of others, both those that support mine and those that do not. You can read all you like, make your own judgement, and write your own blog. Let me know when you do. I&#8217;ll read it.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://theincidentaleconomist.com/reading-krugman/comment-page-1/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- Mr. Linus Wilson,

I did go check your paper as the brief summary of your conclusion (posted here on the 2nd of April) resembled my intuitive opinion about PPIP.
By using the (very) standard corporate finance formulas, I found your paper lost its appeal: Although the fundamental message (subsidies going to unsecured creditors) might not be totally false in the the strict sense, reading this paper made me wonder what you were actually trying to achieve. Just like a Sudoku, your paper looked like an unchallenging, mechanical little exercise to pass time. Your numbered example certainly did not help your case. If you only wanted to reiterate the essence of such basic pricing concepts as the put-call parity and B-S-M option pricing, you could have said that in less than 50 words. I tried, it works. There is absolutely nothing creative in your paper, I am sorry to say. And, to be honest, its prediction / analysis probably isn´t even accurate in today´s situation.
By staying focused on a rigid, academic view of the world, you mix things that should absolutely be differentiated, especially in today´s world. You talk of banking stocks as if they were rationally priced, based on classical corporate finance theory. You use the concept of volatility in the classical sense, although there is a big difference between volatility as an input in the BSM formula and today´s uncertainty in fair value of mortgage related securities. Do you believe that anyone would ever think of pricing today´s toxic CDOs and ABSs based on their historic volatility? And now which volatility would that be, given that there exists no real market anymore (since 08/07 at least) and that all the fundamental variables have changed? Also, do you believe that any investor out there is actually looking for a long-shot volatility miracle that would spike up the price of toxic assets back to 80cents to the dollar? And of course, who cares about the systemic effects of trying to unclog lending facilities, right?
Seriously, Mr. Wilson, I do not know what you were trying to achieve with your paper. It would have been a nice, entertaining example to use in a freshman classroom. But please, do you really think you have given any type of intelligent contribution to the discussion by writing this paper? If the put-call parity were a valid argument in today´s discussion about a potentially world-changing rescue plan, do you really think nobody would have thought about it?

And please, rest assured: Every economic commentator knows that in the wonderful theoretical world of corporate finance, the shareholders hold a put with strike = face value of debt. The only reason why nobody has mentioned it is pretty obvious, Mr. Wilson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- Mr. Linus Wilson,</p>
<p>I did go check your paper as the brief summary of your conclusion (posted here on the 2nd of April) resembled my intuitive opinion about PPIP.<br />
By using the (very) standard corporate finance formulas, I found your paper lost its appeal: Although the fundamental message (subsidies going to unsecured creditors) might not be totally false in the the strict sense, reading this paper made me wonder what you were actually trying to achieve. Just like a Sudoku, your paper looked like an unchallenging, mechanical little exercise to pass time. Your numbered example certainly did not help your case. If you only wanted to reiterate the essence of such basic pricing concepts as the put-call parity and B-S-M option pricing, you could have said that in less than 50 words. I tried, it works. There is absolutely nothing creative in your paper, I am sorry to say. And, to be honest, its prediction / analysis probably isn´t even accurate in today´s situation.<br />
By staying focused on a rigid, academic view of the world, you mix things that should absolutely be differentiated, especially in today´s world. You talk of banking stocks as if they were rationally priced, based on classical corporate finance theory. You use the concept of volatility in the classical sense, although there is a big difference between volatility as an input in the BSM formula and today´s uncertainty in fair value of mortgage related securities. Do you believe that anyone would ever think of pricing today´s toxic CDOs and ABSs based on their historic volatility? And now which volatility would that be, given that there exists no real market anymore (since 08/07 at least) and that all the fundamental variables have changed? Also, do you believe that any investor out there is actually looking for a long-shot volatility miracle that would spike up the price of toxic assets back to 80cents to the dollar? And of course, who cares about the systemic effects of trying to unclog lending facilities, right?<br />
Seriously, Mr. Wilson, I do not know what you were trying to achieve with your paper. It would have been a nice, entertaining example to use in a freshman classroom. But please, do you really think you have given any type of intelligent contribution to the discussion by writing this paper? If the put-call parity were a valid argument in today´s discussion about a potentially world-changing rescue plan, do you really think nobody would have thought about it?</p>
<p>And please, rest assured: Every economic commentator knows that in the wonderful theoretical world of corporate finance, the shareholders hold a put with strike = face value of debt. The only reason why nobody has mentioned it is pretty obvious, Mr. Wilson.</p>
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		<title>By: araca</title>
		<link>http://theincidentaleconomist.com/reading-krugman/comment-page-1/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>araca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check Krugman&#039;s response to your criticism. Wouldn&#039;t you care to respond back to that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check Krugman&#8217;s response to your criticism. Wouldn&#8217;t you care to respond back to that?</p>
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		<title>By: John Durham</title>
		<link>http://theincidentaleconomist.com/reading-krugman/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>John Durham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 00:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to read someone who references so many other economic thinkers. You gave me a list to follow. I&#039;ve only been reading LaRouche and Krugman who gave ref. to your site. I really appreciate the work you have done. John D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to read someone who references so many other economic thinkers. You gave me a list to follow. I&#8217;ve only been reading LaRouche and Krugman who gave ref. to your site. I really appreciate the work you have done. John D</p>
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		<title>By: cfaller96</title>
		<link>http://theincidentaleconomist.com/reading-krugman/comment-page-1/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>cfaller96</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TIE said:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;I’m intrigued about the idea of nationalizing the few big banks with sufficiently big problems. Isn’t there a worry about a domino effect, that if you move in on just a few, the next will start to crumble?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

No, not that I&#039;m aware of.  I haven&#039;t heard Geithner or anyone make a domino argument.  Further, there is precedent for large players filing actually &lt;i&gt;relieving&lt;/i&gt; strains on the market.  Anytime you have a clear &lt;i&gt;resolution&lt;/i&gt; of a problem, for better or worse, the market will be able to resume functioning with that new data.  It&#039;s the &lt;i&gt;uncertainty&lt;/i&gt; that freezes markets, not the risk.

Drexel Burnham and LTCM are the most recent examples I can think of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TIE said:<br />
<i>&#8220;I’m intrigued about the idea of nationalizing the few big banks with sufficiently big problems. Isn’t there a worry about a domino effect, that if you move in on just a few, the next will start to crumble?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>No, not that I&#8217;m aware of.  I haven&#8217;t heard Geithner or anyone make a domino argument.  Further, there is precedent for large players filing actually <i>relieving</i> strains on the market.  Anytime you have a clear <i>resolution</i> of a problem, for better or worse, the market will be able to resume functioning with that new data.  It&#8217;s the <i>uncertainty</i> that freezes markets, not the risk.</p>
<p>Drexel Burnham and LTCM are the most recent examples I can think of.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard H. Serlin</title>
		<link>http://theincidentaleconomist.com/reading-krugman/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard H. Serlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if the best option cannot currently get by the Republicans, it can still be very valuable to tell the public, especially opinion leaders, that it is best and why, to teach, and to build support for it for now and in the future.

Also, it may not be that politically infeasible. Here is the comment I left on Krugman&#039;s blog regarding this:

With regard to the political obstacles, I’m not sure how familiar you are with the filibuster rules, but it may be possible to pass many things with only 50 votes. For example, for another round of stimulus all of the government spending could be put in a reconciliation bill, with tax increases so that it’s revenue neutral. Such a bill cannot be filibustered. Then, a separate bill of tax cuts can be put forward. This will take 60 votes, but it will be very hard for the Republicans to vote against it.

If Obama is willing to fight, there are parliamentary tactics he can use to force through many strong measures with only 50 votes.

For more on this see:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/64192.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if the best option cannot currently get by the Republicans, it can still be very valuable to tell the public, especially opinion leaders, that it is best and why, to teach, and to build support for it for now and in the future.</p>
<p>Also, it may not be that politically infeasible. Here is the comment I left on Krugman&#8217;s blog regarding this:</p>
<p>With regard to the political obstacles, I’m not sure how familiar you are with the filibuster rules, but it may be possible to pass many things with only 50 votes. For example, for another round of stimulus all of the government spending could be put in a reconciliation bill, with tax increases so that it’s revenue neutral. Such a bill cannot be filibustered. Then, a separate bill of tax cuts can be put forward. This will take 60 votes, but it will be very hard for the Republicans to vote against it.</p>
<p>If Obama is willing to fight, there are parliamentary tactics he can use to force through many strong measures with only 50 votes.</p>
<p>For more on this see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/64192.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/64192.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Amicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like I&#039;m &quot;missing&quot; something in this critique.

The fact that Paul&#039;s conclusion may not be &quot;practical&quot;, &quot;politically speaking&quot; hardly seems a devastating indictment, given how relative those terms are, at a minimum.

What is paramount is whether his assessment and prescription are accurate and optimal.  The politics of it _should be_ separated, analytically.

If his general prescription is subordinated to &#039;sub-optimal&#039; &quot;politiking&quot; of the day, that&#039;s a whole other Oprah, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I&#8217;m &#8220;missing&#8221; something in this critique.</p>
<p>The fact that Paul&#8217;s conclusion may not be &#8220;practical&#8221;, &#8220;politically speaking&#8221; hardly seems a devastating indictment, given how relative those terms are, at a minimum.</p>
<p>What is paramount is whether his assessment and prescription are accurate and optimal.  The politics of it _should be_ separated, analytically.</p>
<p>If his general prescription is subordinated to &#8217;sub-optimal&#8217; &#8220;politiking&#8221; of the day, that&#8217;s a whole other Oprah, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: cfaller96</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krugman has already responded, but let me refine his point further- why do people always equate &quot;nationalizing insolvent banks&quot; with &quot;nationalizing the banking industry&quot;...?  Why do people constantly &lt;b&gt;lie&lt;/b&gt; about this?  Are people too stupid to figure out that when a &quot;normal&quot; bank is insolvent, we &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt; have a system in place to &quot;nationalize&quot; it?  (Hint:  it involves the FDIC).  Or is it because people fear the &lt;i&gt;political&lt;/i&gt; reaction to putting some of our largest banks into receivership?

If the argument against putting insolvent banks into receivership is a *political* argument, then fine...&lt;b&gt;Make.That.Argument.&lt;/b&gt;  Don&#039;t pretend that there&#039;s some sort of economic justification for what is essentially a political action.

Just make the argument that you &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; believe in.  Everything else is just dishonest, on some level or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krugman has already responded, but let me refine his point further- why do people always equate &#8220;nationalizing insolvent banks&#8221; with &#8220;nationalizing the banking industry&#8221;&#8230;?  Why do people constantly <b>lie</b> about this?  Are people too stupid to figure out that when a &#8220;normal&#8221; bank is insolvent, we <i>already</i> have a system in place to &#8220;nationalize&#8221; it?  (Hint:  it involves the FDIC).  Or is it because people fear the <i>political</i> reaction to putting some of our largest banks into receivership?</p>
<p>If the argument against putting insolvent banks into receivership is a *political* argument, then fine&#8230;<b>Make.That.Argument.</b>  Don&#8217;t pretend that there&#8217;s some sort of economic justification for what is essentially a political action.</p>
<p>Just make the argument that you <i>really</i> believe in.  Everything else is just dishonest, on some level or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Daulton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Daulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem with this type of analysis -- and I&#039;ve heard it applied by many others against Krugman, and to Obama, Kerry, Gore, etc etc etc all down the line -- is that we don&#039;t send politicians to Washington to &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;hoard&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &quot;credibility&quot; and political capital.  We send them there to &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;spend&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; it, by doing Important Things.  What exactly would Obama be conserving political capital &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, if not this emergency?  Isn&#039;t this among the most important issues to hit the country in many decades?  The way one accrues political credibility is to fight for just causes.  Whereas one can lose political credibility in many ways, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;including inaction in the face of a crisis&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.  A politician is my employee, and the last thing I want is for him to come home at the end of the day and say &quot;I didn&#039;t dare push for your cause because the wags on Capitol Hill never would have stood for it.&quot;  That&#039;s what you&#039;re talking about when you talk about preserving &quot;credibility&quot;.  That&#039;s the reason why American foreign policy, for example, has been stuck in the same quagmire for ten or fifteen years or more... &quot;credibility&quot; is too often code for &quot;aping the popular kids&quot;.  It has little to do with what&#039;s actually &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;right&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with this type of analysis &#8212; and I&#8217;ve heard it applied by many others against Krugman, and to Obama, Kerry, Gore, etc etc etc all down the line &#8212; is that we don&#8217;t send politicians to Washington to <b><i>hoard</i></b> &#8220;credibility&#8221; and political capital.  We send them there to <b><i>spend</i></b> it, by doing Important Things.  What exactly would Obama be conserving political capital <b><i>for</i></b>, if not this emergency?  Isn&#8217;t this among the most important issues to hit the country in many decades?  The way one accrues political credibility is to fight for just causes.  Whereas one can lose political credibility in many ways, <b><i>including inaction in the face of a crisis</i></b>.  A politician is my employee, and the last thing I want is for him to come home at the end of the day and say &#8220;I didn&#8217;t dare push for your cause because the wags on Capitol Hill never would have stood for it.&#8221;  That&#8217;s what you&#8217;re talking about when you talk about preserving &#8220;credibility&#8221;.  That&#8217;s the reason why American foreign policy, for example, has been stuck in the same quagmire for ten or fifteen years or more&#8230; &#8220;credibility&#8221; is too often code for &#8220;aping the popular kids&#8221;.  It has little to do with what&#8217;s actually <b><i>right</i></b>.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://theincidentaleconomist.com/reading-krugman/comment-page-1/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krugman&#039;s response.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/the-banks-versus-some-banks/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krugman&#8217;s response.</p>
<p><a href="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/the-banks-versus-some-banks/" rel="nofollow">http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/the-banks-versus-some-banks/</a></p>
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